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Re: Come Join The ECA and Let Your Voices Be Heard
« Reply #15 on: September 09, 2008, 10:30:00 pm »
yea...your right but what about the older people 18+
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« Reply #16 on: September 09, 2008, 11:24:49 pm »
Ok here it goes.

Video games are being attacked and scrutinized because of things that have happened in the past. 

ex)Columbine - Both of the attackers played FPS games, I think Quake or Doom or something.

ex)Virginia Tech shooting.

There have been several occasions across the entire U.S. where a kid has killed another kid, or severely wounded another kid because they were doing something stupid. And they always give the same reason "I saw it in a video game."

Video game hating is the biggest and easiest band wagon to jump on right now. There will always be something that someone is hating on. Unfortunatley video games are in the sniper scope right now.

After saying that let me voice my personal opinions on the matter. True there are no laws that state you have to be 17 to buy an R rated movie, or go see an R rated movie in theaters. However stores that sell the movies, and movie theaters have made it a standard that if you arent old enough, your out of luck. Stores that sell video games SHOULD follow the same standards if only to cover their rear ends.

If a parent wants to buy their under 17 year old kid a M rated video game because they think their kid is mature enough to handle it, and they know that their kid realizes its only a video game. Then that is awesome, kudos to the parents that are involved in their kids lives like that. Frankly there are not enough of those types of parents. The biggest problem is parents who are just buying the game, and not monitoring what type of game it is. Many a time have I been in a game shop and seen a parent tell there kid to go pick out a video game not caring what it is. They are just happy that their kid has found something that will keep them out of their hair and babysit them. You can always tell these types of kids when you play with them online. Theyre the ones with the squeaky voices, yelling obscenities, and screaming about how much better at the game they are than you. I make it a point when playing with those kids to give them a chance to stop the nonsense, and if they dont I subsequently make them cry.

Now in no way shape or form am I saying that video games cause people to do violent things. I am keen in believing that if your doing something bad, you know that your doing it.
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Re: Come Join The ECA and Let Your Voices Be Heard
« Reply #17 on: September 10, 2008, 08:28:04 am »
Do you feel that the government should be allowed to come in and trump a parent's right to decide for their family what their kids are ready to play?

BRB, I'm gonna go buy my 5 year old son a porno.

That is a nice Strawman.

But, I will roll with it.

Back in the 50s I believe, the states proved to the US Supreme Court, that they had a compelling interest in regulating the sale of pornography. That has led to not only preventing kids from buying it, but also to regulating what can be sold at all and what can be produced. They have also developed a court approved method to determining what constitutes as obscene.

The states have had about 11 chances to prove that they had a compelling reason to go against the First Amendment and regulate the sale of violent video games. Every time, they have failed to do so. They have tried to create the same kind of method to determine what violence is obscene. That has been thrown out. That test does not work when applied to violence. Only the court in California did they convince the judge that there might be a compelling interest, only if they can bring forth certifiable proof.

So in the end, Violence and pornography are not the same. They cannot be regulated the same. But also, if a game were to be created that was pornographic, the current laws would apply to such game.
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Re: Come Join The ECA and Let Your Voices Be Heard
« Reply #18 on: September 10, 2008, 08:39:44 am »


After saying that let me voice my personal opinions on the matter. True there are no laws that state you have to be 17 to buy an R rated movie, or go see an R rated movie in theaters. However stores that sell the movies, and movie theaters have made it a standard that if you arent old enough, your out of luck. Stores that sell video games SHOULD follow the same standards if only to cover their rear ends.


You are right. We should be held to the same standard of self regulation. Unfortunately, I don't think the games industry wants to fail that badly.

Just a few months ago, the FTC did a secret shopper study on the sale of R rated and Unrated movies, M rated games and music with Parental Advisory Labels. (http://www.ftc.gov/opa/2008/05/secretshop.shtm) The games industry trumped them all.

The movie industry sold tickets to R rated movies to underage kids an average of 35% of the time. They sold R rated and unrated movies to underage kids and average of 50% of the time. They sold PAL music to underage kids an average of 56% of the time.

Guess what the game industry did. They sold M rated games to underage kids a whopping 20% of the time.

In the link above, you can see a chart for the results of the last four secret shopper reports. All of them show some improvements over time with some minor increases in ticket and music sales in 2001 and 2006. But the Games industry has the greatest improvement of them all. They have improved from 83% failure rate in 2001 to a 20% failure rate in 2008. The movie industry went from 81% in 2003 for R rated DVD sales to 47% in 2008.

So we are doing better than any other entertainment industry in self regulation. So why are games targeted for legislation again?
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Re: Come Join The ECA and Let Your Voices Be Heard
« Reply #19 on: September 10, 2008, 03:14:05 pm »
So in the end, Violence and pornography are not the same. They cannot be regulated the same.

Really now?

I don't see how the amount of skin shown and acts performed and the amount of gore and mental involvement can't be compared.

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Re: Come Join The ECA and Let Your Voices Be Heard
« Reply #20 on: September 10, 2008, 04:16:10 pm »
So in the end, Violence and pornography are not the same. They cannot be regulated the same.

Really now?

I don't see how the amount of skin shown and acts performed and the amount of gore and mental involvement can't be compared.

I am done arguing if you are simply going to continue to ask me to expand on my information without you expanding on yours. If you want me to respond to the above statement, I would like you to explain to me how they are comparable and why they should be regulated the same.
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« Reply #21 on: September 11, 2008, 01:31:58 am »
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So we are doing better than any other entertainment industry in self regulation. So why are games targeted for legislation again?

Again I point to the fact that we are simply the easiest target at this time.

When was the last time you heard a story about a kid watching a movie and going out on a killing rampage?

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Re: Come Join The ECA and Let Your Voices Be Heard
« Reply #22 on: September 11, 2008, 02:05:02 pm »
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So we are doing better than any other entertainment industry in self regulation. So why are games targeted for legislation again?

Again I point to the fact that we are simply the easiest target at this time.

When was the last time you heard a story about a kid watching a movie and going out on a killing rampage?

It the true when media get big it trys to get relagated by the goverment it happion to comics happion to movie tho it not as strong by the arguments above me and it happion to games once and looks like they are trying to do it again becuse it the next big thing of media.

parents have the chose what to let the kids see and if they chose the wrong choise it their fault not the game companys nor the goverment but lazy parents and people with a ingenda of their own are gonna try to change that so they can blame games for ever wrong thing done. That why we have crimnals starting to blame video games becuse they see it as a way to get out of trouble they where stuiped enough to get into in the frist place.

oh i plan to join the ECA eventualy i just not have the time lol.

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« Reply #23 on: September 11, 2008, 03:28:52 pm »
I am done arguing if you are simply going to continue to ask me to expand on my information without you expanding on yours. If you want me to respond to the above statement, I would like you to explain to me how they are comparable and why they should be regulated the same.

Well for one. I am going to say this.
America is backwards from the rest of the world.
Violence is encouraged, we expose our kids to violence. Blowing someone up? Cool!
But when an exposed mammary appears. OH GOD! NO, THATS CORRUPTING OUR YOUTH.

Now, with that being said. Major european countries get it right. They censor hyperviolent games. Now, to take a game completely off the market. Not exactly rght. But, the censor the games and make it illegal for minors to purchase 18+ games. Is correct.

Sex and Violence are easily comparable. And if you don't think so, you are just trying to play stupid.